My guest, Debra Williams – an educator in state prisons, in fact 6 different prisons, for 11 years in California, United States. She shares her stories of smuggling books to the imprisoned, talks about code of silence and shame… the outrage. We cover subjects like honour, humility, respect…
I sincerely hope you get to really hear and feel through Debra’s experience and allow the words of her stories to fall where they need to be…

Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(03:38) Criminal thinking - what can I get out of this?
(05:51) Spaces of abuse perpetrates further pain
(07:30) The prison system 
(09:08) “Where there is silence – there is shame”
(11:33) Smuggling books into prison
(15:06) Crime as a way to feed families
(18:09) Prison system and generational wealth
(20:16) Addiction to outrage… and healing

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