Jim Ferry is a Partner at Volition Capital, a Boston-based growth equity firm backing founder-owned, capital-efficient companies across software, internet, and consumer. With over a decade at Volition and lead roles in investments like Attitude, Doing Things, Kinetics, and ButterflyMX, he’s helped scale businesses from product–market fit through exit. With hard-won lessons from wins and misses, he offers clear-eyed insights into growth equity discipline, founder dynamics, and what’s changing in an AI-fueled market.In this episode, they discuss how growth equity sits between early venture and buyout, what real product–market fit looks like beyond vanity metrics, and why “unsexy” spaces can be gold mines. You’ll hear Jim’s take on valuation sanity checks (start with public comps), the bid–ask spread in today’s market, value-add after the check (from talent to playbooks), and the founder journey from builder → scaler → operator.In Today’s Episode We Discuss:00:01 Welcome & episode setup00:39 Jim’s origin story (Rhode Island → investing → Volition)02:45 What growth equity really is—between early VC and buyout06:17 Defining real product–market fit vs. vanity metrics08:41 AI’s impact: speed, durability, and building moats10:16 Anti-portfolio & misses: lessons from deals that got away13:13 Volition’s check sizes, minority focus, and underwriting lens16:47 TAM vs. SAM: why the attainable market (and share) matters18:04 Capital efficiency in practice: burn multiple, alignment, pacing19:25 Value-add after the check: talent, community, and playbooks21:58 Minority investing approach: “pull, not push” support23:40 Partnership model & Jim’s focus on internet business models25:57 Team underwriting: founder traits that correlate with outperformance29:00 Founder evolution: builder → scaler → operator (and when to hire)31:16 Exit readiness: banks, data rooms, and a ButterflyMX example33:42 Today’s valuation reality: wide bid–ask spreads; start with publics36:50 Deal structures 101: prefs, dividends, participating preferred39:44 Where others aren’t looking: logistics, supply chain, parking40:59 Lessons from failed theses: why arbitrages and DTC CACs decay42:20 Founder grit vs. market size; winning a disproportionate share43:33 Underrated founders to watch (e.g., Kinetics, Rounds)Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ga6v0YUsHotLhjap67uu5Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ignite-conversations-on-startups-venture-capital-tech/id1709248824Follow Jim Ferry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-ferry-91b33375/Follow Team Ignite on X: https://x.com/teamignitevcFollow Brian on X: https://x.com/brianrbellFollow Brian on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bblinkedin/Visit Our Website: https://www.teamignite.venturesSubscribe to Our Newsletter: https://insights.teamignite.ventures/👂🎧 Watch, listen, and follow on your favorite platform: https://tr.ee/S2ayrbx_fL 🙏 Join the conversation on your favorite social network: https://linktr.ee/theignitepodcast🔥 Club Ignite is booking fast — our next gathering of top founders, investors, and operators will be our biggest yet. Apply now before spots fill: https://teamignite.decilehub.com/e/club-ignite-25

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