In this episode of the Unscripted SEO Podcast by Be Sharp Digital Marketing, Jeremy Rivera sits down with Matt Bailey, a digital marketing veteran with nearly 30 years of experience spanning from the pre-Google AltaVista era to today's AI-driven landscape. Matt shares his journey from building real estate websites with journalism principles in 1995 to founding SiteLogic and helping shape the SEO industry through his work with the OMCP (Online Marketing Certified Professional Organization).
This conversation explores the evergreen principles that have survived every "SEO is dead" cycle, the critical gaps in SEO education, and why AI is both a productivity tool and a source of strategic confusion for businesses. Matt and Jeremy discuss the importance of conversion optimization, the holistic webmaster approach that got lost in the 2010-2020 era of easy Google traffic, and why understanding content, context, and community remains fundamental to digital marketing success.
Key Topics Covered:

Why newspaper layout principles from 1995 still drive SEO success today
The 18-24 month shelf life of SEO educational content
Enterprise red tape horror stories (drug tests for editing 10 pages!)
Why LLMs are "like pre-Google search" and the shiny object syndrome around AI
The seven strategic questions every business needs to answer before tactics
How to remove friction down the funnel and leverage your website correctly
Why social traffic behavior differs dramatically from search and blog referrals

Guest
Matt Bailey

Founder & CEO, SiteLogic Marketing
30+ years in digital marketing (since 1995)
OMCP contributor and instructional design expert
Former Microsoft Worldwide Education consultant
Website: sitelogic.com
Learning Platform: learn.sitelogic.com
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mattbaileysitelogic

Extended Recap
The Origin Story: From Journalism to Pre-Google SEO
Matt Bailey's journey into digital marketing began in an unexpected place—journalism school. While he quickly realized journalism wasn't his calling, the education gave him something invaluable: an understanding of how to lay out content for quick consumption. Headlines, subheadings, bullet points—these newspaper design principles became the foundation of his website development approach in 1995-96.
Working in real estate at the time, Matt started building websites as electronic versions of printed pages. What he didn't realize initially was that the markup he was using for visual layout was exactly what early search engines needed. This was the AltaVista era, where SEOs would spend entire nights resubmitting pages to chase rankings.
When Google arrived, Matt's content-first approach paid immediate dividends. Pages structured with clear hierarchy and reader-focused design performed well naturally. This early lesson—that optimizing for visitors and optimizing for search engines aren't separate goals—would become a through-line in his entire career.
The Analytics Awakening
A pivotal moment came when Matt was working on real estate websites and asked himself: "What can I do on the website that will have the biggest impact?" He didn't have an answer. That question forced h...

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