In Part 2 of SUNBURNT SOULS, Jess and Dave Quak continue their discussion with Maddy Mandall on women in church leadership. They explore living out a ministry calling, navigating gender-based expectations, and the joys of pastoral work, emphasizing authentic leadership and empowering the next generation.Key MomentsIntroduction and Recap (00:00:00 - 00:01:47): Dave recaps Part 1, focusing on women’s callings and mental health, and asks what it’s like to live out one’s calling post-hurdles.Living Out the Calling (00:01:47 - 00:04:36): Maddy is grateful to minister as dreamed, despite some churches excluding her due to gender. Jess appreciates not justifying her presence but struggles with tokenism.Navigating Tokenism (00:04:36 - 00:09:08): Jess addresses being invited for her gender, not qualifications, and fights cynicism. Maddy advocates for broader inclusion to ensure women’s voices are valued.Empowering the Next Generation (00:14:42 - 00:18:45): Maddy notes Project 11’s young leaders respect her, and hopes for more women to lead authentically, despite few solo female senior pastors.Authentic Leadership Styles (00:18:45 - 00:23:56): Maddy’s collaborative style, shaped by early challenges, fosters team ownership. Jess values freedom to lead authentically, serving unique communities.Women in the Church (00:23:56 - 00:28:30): Maddy cites historical female-majority church attendance, with shifts among Gen Z males. Dave and Jess push for creative, diverse church structures.Joys of Pastoral Ministry (00:28:30 - 00:33:17): Maddy loves empowering young women and seeing community transformation. Jess finds joy in people’s moments of revelation.Closing Prayer (00:33:17 - 00:35:17): Maddy prays for diverse callings, grace in tough questions, and alignment with God’s purpose.Key InsightsGratitude Amid Challenges: Fulfilling a calling is joyful, but gender-based barriers like tokenism persist.Authentic Leadership: Women should lead as God designed, embracing collaborative or nurturing styles.Breaking Stereotypes: Diverse giftings, like Jess’s strategy and Dave’s hospitality, enrich ministry.CONNECT Follow Sunburnt Souls for raw stories of faith, mental health, and hope: 🔗 Facebook | 🔗 YouTube 🔗 Instagram BRAND NEW ONLINE COURSE!🧠✨ Loving Life with Faith and Mental Health 28 days. $28. A practical, hope-filled course to help you: ✅ Embrace your identity in Jesus ✅ Build life-giving spiritual rhythms ✅ Navigate mental health with honesty and faith 👉 Start your 28-day journey today 💌 Join Our Community Get weekly encouragement, bonus content, and resources in your inbox: 👉 Subscribe to the newsletter 🙌 Support the Mission Help us keep creating free, faith-filled mental health content: 👉 Donate to Sunburnt Souls ⭐️ Leave a Review Love this episode? A quick rating or review helps more people find hope. 👉 Rate us on Apple Podcasts | 👉 Rate on Spotify PARTNERS 🎙️ Sunburnt Souls is proudly produced by Pretty Podcasts

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