Episode 04 – Dirk Bannenberg on Training for Real ChangeIn this episode of the Training Improvement Café, Roy sits down with Dirk Bannenberg, co-founder of Nobi Learning and a seasoned trainer who’s worked with some of the biggest training providers in The Netherlands. Together, they explore how to turn training from a one-off event into a catalyst for lasting behaviour change.💡 Spoiler alert: Real change starts before the training day…and continues long after.About DirkDirk Bannenberg is co-founder of Nobi Learning and an experienced trainer with a background in teaching, corporate training, and change management. Passionate about making training meaningful, he combines adult learning, leadership, and change management principles to help organisations achieve lasting behavioural change.What you'll learn in this episodeWhy friction and discomfort in training can actually be a good signHow to uncover the “question behind the question” when clients ask for trainingPractical nudges that make behaviour change stick (from bathroom stickers to handwritten notes)Why training is more like a *campaign* than a one-day eventHow to keep participants motivated long after the training endsThe power of the ADKAR change model (Awareness, Desire, Knowledge, Ability, Reinforcement)Why managerial support and feedback are non-negotiable for real transferWhat Dirk learned from change thinker Thijs Homan about culture and “petri dishes”Quick tips to apply right awayAdd small nudges before and after training (emails, reminders, stickers, handwritten notes).Frame training as a *campaign:* build anticipation, involvement, and follow-up.Ask participants: *“When will this day be a success for you?”* and use their answers.Use the “Better Not” exercise to surface resistance to new behaviours.Don’t shy away from feedback when attempts at new behaviour fail. It fuels growth.Episode highlights[00:01:00] – Why intrinsic motivation is non-negotiable for real behaviour change.[00:04:59] – Uncovering the real learning need behind client requests.[00:08:01] – The challenge of involving managers and starting with nudges.[00:10:50] – From bathroom stickers to pre-training mail packages: creative nudges that stick.[00:14:45] – The “Better Not” exercise to surface resistance and spark reflection.[00:16:37] – Why managers must give feedback—even when it feels uncomfortable.[00:20:02] – Designing impactful learning experiences on limited budgets.[00:22:04] – Applying the ADKAR change model to training.[00:25:32] – Why reinforcement at 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months really matters.[00:26:00] – Petri dishes of meaning: how real change happens at the coffee machine.Resources & inspiration mentionedADKAR change modelThijs Homan (organisational culture)Nobi Learning💬 We’d love your feedback!What did you think of the episode? Share your thoughts with Roy or Dirk via LinkedIn.📣 Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with fellow L&D pros who care about making learning stick.

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