In December 2020, Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson was decorating the family Christmas tree with her 5-year-old son when she heard a crowd outside her home chanting "Stop the Steal!" In the days and weeks that followed, Donald Trump harassed her on social media, calling for her arrest and accusing her of treason, Benson alleges.On this week's Reasonably Happy podcast, Benson--who is now running for governor--joins Paul Ollinger to discuss how she modernized the DMV, what it feels like to be targeted by the President of the United States, and why the Democrats' murky future. Paul pushes her to take a stand against a party that keeps falling on the sword of cultural issues with which most of America disagrees, opening the door for the very President who tried to intimidate her. Unfortunately, Benson waffles on subjects like biological males in girls' sports and the fact that most college campuses have been captured by progressive ideology. Still, it's an interesting conversation with a rising political star who, if she can stand up to her party the way she stood up to Trump, could be a solid mainstream candidate someday.Read Paul's Substack here: Http://words.paulollinger.com

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