In this episode of What’s the DEIL?, Natalie Norfus and Shanté Gordon get real about a topic many leaders and organizations are struggling to navigate in 2025: Is it even possible to keep politics out of the workplace anymore?Spoiler: No.But the conversation doesn’t stop there.As our co-hosts unpack the current climate—where headlines change by the hour and virtually every aspect of our identities feels politicized—they reflect on a major shift in perspective. Once firm believers that politics had no place at work, they now confront the unavoidable truth: Avoidance is not a strategy.Instead, Natalie and Shanté explore how silence and avoidance can actually cause more harm than good. They talk candidly about how political dynamics have blurred the line between personal identity and professional life, especially when it comes to workplace culture, belonging, and safety.Key Takeaways:• ⚠️ Avoidance isn’t neutral. Silence can unintentionally create exclusion and tension.• 🗣️ People will talk—whether you want them to or not. Better to create safe spaces for dialogue than to let conversations go underground.• 🤝 Build trust first. Connection paves the way for productive conversations about tough topics.• 🧩 Know yourself. Self-awareness is the ultimate leadership skill in uncertain times.• 🛠️ Leaders: Time to update your playbook. What worked a year ago won’t cut it today. The stakes are too high.Whether you’re a leader, HR professional, or just someone trying to make sense of your workplace dynamics right now, this episode will give you perspective, strategy, and some much-needed reassurance that you’re not alone in feeling overwhelmed.And stay tuned for the next episode, where we’ll get tactical: how to create workplace environments that acknowledge today’s realities while still keeping things productive and safe.Follow & Connect with us:Follow Natalie Norfus on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalienorfus/. Follow Shante Gordon on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shantegordon/. Book a consultation with The Norfus Firm: https://thenorfusfirm.com/. Follow What’s the DEIL on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whatsthedeil/. Follow What’s the DEIL on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@whatsthedeil. If you enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and leave a review! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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