In this conversation, Chaley and Alison explore the themes of shame, healing, and the societal pressures surrounding motherhood and personal choices. Chaley discusses her experience with navigating divorce in a small town to a good man. Alison shares her journey of being childless by choice, discussing the challenges and societal expectations she faced. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of self-acceptance, the evolution of personal identity, and the need for open conversations about choices that deviate from societal norms

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