Host: Jeremy Rivera - Founder, SEO Arcade Guest: Melissa Popp - Founder, Rickety Roo | @poppupwriter Episode Length: 60 minutes
Episode Overview
In this deep-dive conversation, Jeremy Rivera and Melissa Popp explore the seismic shifts happening in SEO and digital marketing. From AI overviews decimating organic click-through rates to the fundamental question of whether SEO as we know it still exists, this episode tackles the industry's biggest challenges and opportunities.
Key Discussion Points:

Why SEO was just "Google reverse engineering" from 2010-2021
The impact of AI overviews on organic traffic (down to 1% CTR)
How to adapt SEO strategies for LLMs and multi-platform search
The death of top-funnel content and what replaces it
Why the industry needs a value proposition beyond Google rankings

Best Quotes from This Episode
"We should be more in the ecosystem... our value could be so much more than Google. Why are we tying ourselves to Google?" - Melissa Popp
"From 2010 to 2021 SEO was merely reverse engineering Google. That was it. That was our job. We can't ignore other methods or other ways that search occurs." - Jeremy Rivera
"Chat GPT is now your most popular and least knowledgeable customer representative." - Referenced insight from Mike Buckby
"I question whether we actually see the death of the top of the funnel... we relied so much on top of the funnel to drive people in and guide them to the right place on our websites." - Melissa Popp
Key Takeaways & Action Items
✅ For SEO Professionals

Expand beyond Google optimization - Start incorporating LLM visibility strategies into your workflows
Learn automation tools - If you're not using tools like N8n for workflow automation, you're falling behind
Shift metrics focus - Move from clicks/impressions to user capture and email acquisition
Test LLM strategies - Start experimenting with content approaches for different AI platforms

✅ For Agency Owners

Reposition your value proposition - Stop selling "Google rankings" and start selling comprehensive digital visibility
Invest in multi-channel capabilities - Build expertise across social platforms, LLMs, and emerging search technologies
Update client education - Help clients understand the new search landscape beyond traditional SEO

✅ For Content Creators

Prepare for longer queries - Optimize for 30-40 word conversational searches, not just 2-4 word keywords
Create bot-friendly content - Write with the understanding that AI will be reading and summarizing your content
Focus on comprehensive coverage - Address topics thoroughly since users may get answers without clicking

Detailed Show Notes
[00:00 - 05:00] The Longest Year in Marketing
Jeremy opens discussing how much the SEO world has changed since their last conversation in December. Melissa describes this as "the longest year of marketing in a decade" due to:

Integration of AI overviews in Google search results
Every client asking about LLM visibility
ChatGPT now using UTM codes (visible in GA4)
The challenge of figuring out what still works vs. what's new

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