How can an organization with values of equity shift away from its own embedded hierarchy? In this conversation, we speak with Robin Cook Roth who was recently the CEO of the UK company, Traidcraft to talk about how he led his organization out of the hierarchy. We discuss how holacracy's process of self-management, distribution of power, roles, and responsibilities led him to experience a level of freedom and joy in his own work, and how it has helped the company live out its values. We get into some of the spiritual dimensions of this work, and some of what it means to remember and reenchant the organizations where so many people spend so much time. 1:37 - Learn more about Robin Cook Roth5:25 - What is self-management?12:51 - Who decides what’s the appropriate distribution of power?18:10 - Tradecraft's transition to Holacracy25:00 - Sara Jolena on The Dawn of Everything30:46 - What is the role of power as it relates to spiritual power displaying itself in an organization?34:50 - How was it like to give up power?38:30 -Relinquishing power in the work of decolonization43:45 - How does Holacracy intersect with suppliers?52:38 - What are some initial steps and resources to self-management?The Dawn of Everything: A New History of HumanityLet My People Go Surfing: The Education of a Reluctant BusinessmanSend us a messageSupport the showLearn more about Sara Jolena Wolcott and Sequoia SamanvayaMusic Title: Both of Us Music by: madiRFAN Don't forget to "like" and share this episode!

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