"Growing up, I was always drawn to leadership." That's Western Michigan Vice President and Director of Athletics Dan Bartholomae in conversation with CSA Vice President for Consulting Dr. Brad Bates. In this episode of The Journey, Dan and Brad reflect on Dan's journey from Indiana University Public Policy student to the big chair, with stops at Pittsburgh and Oregon State along the way. Dan shares the story of how he skipped his senior year spring break to shadow athletic administrators at Pitt and discusses the best advice he ever received from Oregon State AD Scott Barnes: "Get out of your comfort zone." Dan and Brad also talk about the parallels between music and sports and celebrate the success - including a national title in ice hockey - that the Broncos have enjoyed during Dan's tenure in Kalamazoo.

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