In this episode, Clint continues his conversation with Urs Koenig, leadership strategist and author of “Radical Humility,” to explore why the old top-down leadership model no longer works in today’s complex, fast-moving world. Urs also discusses transparency, vulnerability, and how ambitious leaders can stay humble without fading into the background. Plus, hear why Urs believes today’s leaders should act more like gardeners than chess masters—creating environments where teams thrive rather than micromanaging every move. This is the second part of a two-part conversation.

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