Rob Costello, author of An Ugly World for Beautiful Boys (Lethe Press), joins Matthew to talk about the burden of secrets and a character who believes he deserves to suffer.   Visit Rob Costello online at www.cloudbusterpress.com   Other helpful links: Rob Costello at the Highlights Foundation  The Whole Novel Workshop: An In-Person Retreat for Novelists (October at the Highlights Foundation) with I.W. Gregorio, Nancy Werlin, Janae Marks, Erin Entrada Kelly, Ernesto Cisneros, Nicole Valentine, Sarah Aronson, Sharon G. Flake, and Nora Shalaway Carpenter   For a full transcript, episode takeaways, quotes, and more, visit DeepCast.fm and search "The Children's Book Podcast" or click on the link in the show notes.   Learn more about the Highlights Foundation and their upcoming programs by visiting www.highlightsfoundation.org.    Our podcast logo was created by Duke Stebbins (https://stebs.design/).    Our music is by Podington Bear.    Podcast hosting by Libsyn.    You can support the show and buy me a coffee at matthewcwinner.com or by clicking the link in the show notes.   Be well. And read on.  

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