In this kickoff to Season 4, Ophira Eisenberg is joined by Broadway veterans turned podcasters David FM Vaughn and Gavin Lodge, hosts of The Gaytriarchs. The dads share how their show began almost as a “you’re a gay dad, I’m a gay dad, let’s talk” experiment, and how it’s evolved into 113 episodes, complete with recurring jokes like referring to their audience as “our listener.” They talk about the strange intimacy of podcasting, meeting each other’s kids for the first time only after years of recording together, and the moments that nearly made them quit—until a fan’s oddly specific comment kept them going. The conversation spans their careers pivoting from Broadway to TV writing and arts advocacy, the realities of raising kids via surrogacy, and the endless cycle of coming out in playgrounds, school forms, and even Dairy Queen drive-throughs. There are tangents about LaGuardia airport feeling like a spa, the economics of summer camp, and the universal awkwardness of “the talk.” The episode ends, fittingly, with Gavin recalling his daughter casually outing him to a car full of teens before they all nodded in recognition and said, “Oh, my mom used a surrogate too.”

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