In this conversation I sit down with Zac Engler, founder of Bodhi AI, to talk about turning generative-AI hype into practical wins for smaller companies—and why “shadow-AI” bans often backfire. We cover:The moment Zac realised a recruiter could build a full-stack product in three weeks for < $1 k.Tactical first steps for any team: discovery sprint → 30/60/90 quick-win plan → agentic workflows.The trifurcation of work (AI-only, human-in-loop, human-only) and how to spot the right bucket.Why vertical, hyper-niche agents will beat one-size-fits-all models.What an 18-month adoption window really means—and how to avoid being “automated chaos.”Links:Bodhi AI – https://bodhiai.ioForbes feature: “AI’s Trifurcation of Work” – https://bit.ly/ZEForbes-AITrifurcationTurning On Machines (Zac’s forthcoming book) – https://www.zacengler.com/buy-bookMN AI Tools directory – https://mnaitools.comConnect with Zac: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zacengler/Connect with me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregtoroosian/

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