In this joint episode, get dual insights from CEO Perry Knoppert and Chief of Staff Karen Zeigler of the Octopus Movement. They share their views on transitioning to nonlinear leadership. They discuss how they work together seamlessly across countries, the traits to look for in a good Chief of Staff, and letting culture define itself. Perry and Karen also emphasize using children's creativity to address global issues and the importance of hiring based on passion and vision.Links Mentioned:The Octopus Movement WebsitePick My BrainConnect with Perry Knoppert on LinkedInConnect with Karen Zeigler on LinkedInFree Resources:Strategic Planning Checklist Chief of Staff Skills Assessment ChecklistA Day in the Life of a Chief of StaffChief of Staff ToolkitGet in touch with Emily:Connect on LinkedInFollow on YouTubeLearn more about coaching Sign up for the newsletterClarity Call with Emily WHO AM I?If we haven’t yet before - Hi👋 I’m Emily, Chief of Staff turned Executive Leadership Coach. After a thrilling ride up the corporate ladder, I’m focusing on what I love - working with people to realize their professional and personal goals. Through my videos here on this channel, books, podcast guest spots, and newsletter, I share new ideas and practical and tactical tools to help you be more productive and build the career and life you want. Time Stamps:01:13 Overview of The Octopus Movement03:43 Bringing on a Chief of Staff05:44 Communication and Trust13:05 Nonlinear Thinking and Company Culture18:06 Leadership and Identity20:34 Future Projects and Initiatives22:39 Engaging Kids in Problem Solving23:37 Supporting Global Initiatives24:09 Documentary and Book Projects25:55 Practical Advice for Nonlinear Thinking28:12 Identifying Nonlinear Thinkers in Organizations31:16 Advice for Executives and Chiefs of Staff32:17 Finding the Right Chief of Staff37:43 Connecting with the Octopus Movement38:56 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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