In our very first episode, hosts Josh Hugo and John Clark unpack the concept of Leadership Limbo —leading from the “in-betwixt and in-between” spaces where most leadership actually happens. We explore why leadership from the middle matters, what “limbo” really means, and how to navigate the tensions of being responsible without full authority.
Whether you’re an emerging leader, a middle manager, or a senior leader working to better support your team, this episode blends self-awareness, purpose-driven leadership, and practical tools to help you lead with clarity and influence. We share our personal journeys, reflect on lessons learned, and set the stage for the conversations and strategies to come.
Key topics in this episode:


Defining “limbo” and the in-betwixt and in-between of leadership


Why leadership in the middle is different—and critical


How influence matters more than authority


Balancing self-reflection with actionable leadership strategies


If you’ve ever felt caught between managing up and leading down, or you’re looking for ways to lead more effectively from where you are, this is where your journey starts.

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