In this episode, Heather tells Steph (and you) about the day's beautiful and hard truth-telling with her daughter. But before that, Steph and Heather discuss what it feels like to be a grown-up that doesn't feel "successful" in many ways. This is an episode about our hearts and minds, our pure and true struggle, and the ways we come through to the other side. Thank you for being here with us, friends. 

#divorce #childrenofdivorce #truth #coparenting #parenting #motherhood #wcdht #lizgilbert #debrogers #floridawoman #betterthings #dateline #thestaircase #underthebannerofheaven #fundamentalism #maliburising #chanelmiller 

Mentioned in this show: 
We Can Do Hard Things with Chanel Miller We Are Never Stuck

We Can Do Hard Things with Liz Gilbert Liz Gilbert Shares The Whole Story For the First Time

Florida Woman by Deb Rogers (PRE ORDER THIS BOOK!) :)

The Undoing (dateline podcast episode) “from there Matt folded faster than the overnight crew at the Gap.” LOLOL best line ever

Malibu Rising by Taylor Jenkins Reid

What we've been watching:
The Staircase
Better Things
Ozark
Grace and Frankie
Our Father
Under the Banner of Heaven
Candy 

Quotes from the show: 
On messages of self-care: "It's like telling someone to take deep breaths when they're having a panic attack." - Heather
"Everything I thought about growing up and being an adult meant nothing." - Steph
"We're hard on ourselves until we're not." - Heather
"It's why it's so important to me for my passion to not be my work." - Steph 
"No matter how ugly the truth is, it's the truth. And you can't really heal or move forward until you put that somewhere." - Heather 
On parenting: "I think you just follow their lead. They tell you, if you're listening." - Steph 

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