On this episode of Nemo Nation, hosts Dave Nemo and Jimmy Mac welcome Mike Roeth, Executive Director of the North American Council for Freight Efficiency (NACFE).Mike joins the show to dive into NACFE’s latest focus: “The Messy Middle” — the complex, transitional period the trucking industry faces as it moves from diesel dominance toward a future of zero-emission vehicles.This conversation builds on NACFE’s Run on Less – Messy Middle initiative, which documents and shares real-world insights from fleets experimenting with a variety of clean technologies, including:Battery-electric trucksHydrogen fuel cell optionsRenewable diesel and natural gasHybrid approaches bridging the gapMike explains why this period is “messy” but also necessary—as fleets test what works, what doesn’t, and how infrastructure, costs, and regulations will shape the future.Key talking points include:Lessons from fleets in NACFE’s Run on Less programHow trucking can reduce emissions without sacrificing reliabilityThe challenges of charging/fueling infrastructureThe role of data in guiding fleet decisionsNACFE’s work helps carriers, shippers, and policymakers understand which technologies are practical today—and how they pave the way to a more sustainable freight future.Learn more:NACFE WebsiteRun on Less – Messy MiddleBe sure to like, comment, and subscribe for more insights on the trucking industry from Nemo Nation with Dave Nemo & Jimmy Mac!Thanks for tuning in! You can catch our shows anytime on your favorite podcast app or listen on iHeartRadio using the links below.Nemo Nation: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-ne...Road Gang Radio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-ro...We Should Write: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-we...Trucking with OOIDA: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-tr...

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