Andy argues that people in prison stand and fall on their capacity to build, nuture and repair relationships, and that this is crucial skill that needs to bridge both sides of the bars if the place is to be a safe one.In the second of two post-Covid How The Work Is Harder Now podcasts he explains what is different now,  how that affects people like him doing this kind of work and what he thinks this means for the people in charge.These podcasts don't get made unless Tom Haigh of Sound Post Production www.tomhaigh.com and interviewer Tony Maguire www.boxkik.com decide to roll out of bed. Fortunately for me I still seem to be giving them reason to do so. Chapeau, gentlemen.

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