This conversation explores the pitfalls of over-reliance on props and tools in facilitation, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing conversation and relationship-building. It delves into the need for time and depth in facilitation, the skills and goals of facilitation, and the challenges of the adventure education field. The conversation also addresses the need for a more mature and professional approach to facilitation, advocating for deeper, more meaningful conversations and relationships.   Takeaways; The importance of prioritizing conversation and relationship-building over the over-reliance on props and tools in facilitation. The need for time and depth in facilitation, emphasizing the skills and goals of facilitation. Challenges faced in the adventure education field and the need for a more mature and professional approach to facilitation. Advocacy for deeper, more meaningful conversations and relationships in facilitation. Contact the podcast; email - [email protected] instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

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