We are shaking things up in 2026--Make sure to JOIN US for ALL the content coming - https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comThis discussion explores why some visions carry weight, how to separate hallucinations from objective phenomena, and why believers shouldn’t jump to theological conclusions from every paranormal moment. We compare modern apparition research to the biblical resurrection accounts and find powerful similarities and key differences. Ultimately, this conversation asks a bold question: what exactly does it mean to “see” the Messiah — and how do we discern truth in a world overflowing with spiritual noise?Featuring Dr. Jonathan Kendall and Matthew McGuire.https://x.com/JKendallMDGet Jonathan's book-on Amazon--https://amzn.to/4oBl8eZhttps://wipfandstock.com/9798385248995/seeing-the-messiah/Use code CONFSHIP until Nov 30th to save on wipfandstock.comhttps://themattmcguire.substack.com/p/what-hath-apparitions-to-do-withTimestamps:00:00:54 Setting up today’s topic on visions and the risen Christ 00:01:53 Defining terms and simplifying concepts 00:03:20 Jonathan’s background & fascination with the paranormal 00:05:12 Apparitions and how Allison’s work sparked research 00:06:25 Criteria for verifying visions 00:08:00 Modern apparition research explained 00:10:31 Differentiating hallucinations from objective encounters 00:12:01 Intentional apparition projection experiments 00:13:37 Bi-location and projecting consciousness 00:15:40 Altered states and apparition experiences 00:16:25 Emotional vs relaxed mental states in encounters 00:18:10 Large-scale religious apparitions (Fatima, Medjugorje, Zytoon) 00:19:39 Cultural flavor in apparition experiences 00:21:38 Subjective interpretation meeting objective events 00:23:10 Cultural biases around Eastern vs Western experiences 00:24:12 Comparing biblical resurrection accounts to modern reports 00:26:42 Tangibility of apparitions (touching, eating, physicality) 00:28:31 Apparitions of the living vs the dead 00:29:40 Dopplegangers and apparition folklore 00:30:19 Iceland’s phylgia phenomenon 00:31:24 Government interest in psychic projection 00:32:20 Differences between Jesus’ appearances and modern apparitions 00:33:26 “Apparitional greatest hits” theory 00:36:03 The Mary-at-the-grave encounter 00:37:28 Touch, physicality, and post-resurrection behavior 00:38:15 Comparing Jonathan & Matthew’s approaches 00:40:26 Denominational views on visions 00:41:20 Personal rose-scent encounter 00:42:22 Olfactory apparitions 00:44:35 Why apparitions require energy 00:46:20 Why some apparitions are subtle, not dramatic 00:47:43 Contrasting Jonathan’s views with Dale Allison’s 00:49:36 Reliability of Gospel accounts 00:50:34 The Lubavitcher Rebbe resurrection claims 00:52:05 Apparitions within the Chabad movement 00:53:57 How the church can recover biblical imagination 00:56:21 Staying grounded while exploring the supernatural 00:58:18 Why paranormal data can create metaphysical tension 01:00:39 How believers can discern authentic spiritual experiences 01:02:19 Avoiding “Satan of the gaps” thinking 01:03:57 Key takeaway for skeptical listeners 01:04:30 Scientific materialism is dead 01:05:44 UFO encounter seen by family member 01:06:42 Upcoming book announcement 01:08:35 Personal paranormal story about Milo the cat 01:11:07 UFO sighting above the tree line
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