We are shaking things up in 2026--Make sure to JOIN US for ALL the content coming - https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat happens when you mix Ghostbusters nostalgia, biblical theology, and a love-hate relationship with horror films? You get a conversation like this one. Our guest brings his unique blend of storytelling and scriptural insight to the paranormal, exploring ghosts, demons, exorcism, and the Warrens with nuance and wit. We dig into Hollywood's influence on spiritual perception, challenge traditional views on the supernatural, and even question what really haunted the infamous Conjuring house. Get ready for ghosts, theology, and some toaster talk you didn’t know you needed. The Dancing ToasterInstagram & Facebook: @thedancingtoasterEmail: [email protected]://unrefinedpodcast.comTimestamps:01:48 Nelly’s podcast origin and themes02:37 Warrens and the Conjuring house controversy03:13 Seances, trance mediums, and biblical boundaries04:08 Was it the house or the people?05:33 Demons attach to people, not places06:25 Deliverance and spiritual authority07:35 Andrea Perron09:00 Post-Conjuring experiences and the family10:00 Warrens’ short involvement vs. movie portrayal11:15 Bathsheba Sherman myth vs. facts12:22 Sincere seekers or spooky grifters?13:50 Mission, marketing, or both?14:31 Hollywood’s influence on demonology16:47 Bringing shamans to a spiritual fight17:30 Movies that spark spiritual questions18:55 How the Bible reshaped Nelly’s view of the paranormal20:25 Using paranormal as a bridge to the gospel21:16 What are ghosts for? Theology gets messy23:35 Demonic manipulation or damned souls?25:55 WWI ghost story and theological implications28:09 Why Nelly is okay with the messy middle30:00 Test the spirits by the Spirit30:29 Discernment in supernatural encounters32:50 Modernity, mystery, and supernatural logic35:16 Why the weirdness of God is beautiful37:08 Unity in the Body and theological humility39:26 Most supernatural experience: Nelly’s salvation41:44 Ruth’s Jesus and divine intervention43:49 From conversion to calling46:15 The Man-Eating Toaster and cults48:04 Naming the podcast and outreach in disguise 
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