In this episode, we talk about our experiences with perfectionism—how we’ve dealt with it, how our mindsets have shifted, and whether becoming “less perfectionist” was the right move. Grace shares the dissonance between who she wants to be and her perfectionist tendencies, while Amy reflects on going from overly perfectionist to feeling almost too comfortable with failure. Later on, we get into external validation—what drives people to seek it, how that changes with age, the difficulty of knowing whether we’re truly doing things with the right intentions, and whether it's right to share our accomplishments.

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