In this episode, Pat and Doug sit down with Stephen Campisi of The Pensar Group to discuss his recent Journal article, "Evaluating Benchmark Misfit Risk" as well as his upcoming PMAR presentation based on that article, and his current research topic on the role of passive investments in asset owner portfolios.  He talks about how performance analysts can gain a greater presence, and shares his thoughts on the direction of the performance function. Steve, who is a classically trained musician, also discusses the correlation between math and music.  "Evaluating Benchmark Misfit Risk" was published in the Fall 2022  issue of The Journal of Performance Measurement. Sign up for a free subscription now, https://tsgperformance.com/free-journal-of-performance-measurement/.The 21st annual PMAR Conference will take place on May 24 and 25th, and there's still time to register. For more information, visit https://tsgperformance.com/events/pmar/. 

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