Listen "Ep.062 The Burden of Proof (Part 1) Using Science to Prove Spirituality Exists. Plus Lord Krishna and the Bible on Death and Reincarnation. Plus 10min Bonus content!: Spirituality w/ Mark Zaretti"
Episode Synopsis
Episode synopsis TL;DR:
Join me as I explore ways to help a spiritual sceptic to recognise spiritual truths using science and evidence that is available to everyone. We look at three main topics: Beyond your body, the power of thought, and higher-dimensions. Plus as well as reading from the "Spiritual Life Explained" book, we take a look at historical and biblical evidence of reincarnation.
Episode notes & timings:
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00:05:22 Show begins, I give the background story to today's topic
00:11:00 Burden of proof - Spiritual Propositions
00:18:13 (1.1) Beyond your body: Remote Viewing
00:24:37 (1.2) Beyond your body: Telekinetic Nina Kulagina
00:30:55 (1.3) Beyond your body: Out of Body Experience OBEs
00:36:25 (1.4) Beyond your body: Near Death Experience NDEs
00:41:00 (1.5) Beyond your body: Walk-ins
00:44:27 (2.1) Effect of thoughts: Masaru Emoto & Water
00:47:50 (2.2) Effect of thoughts: Meditation v Crime
00:50:55 (2.3) Effect of thoughts: Positivism & Health
00:51:35 (2.4) Effect of thoughts: Placebo
00:55:25 (2.5) Effect of thoughts: Self talk & Sports Performance
00:56:35 (3.1) Other dimensions: String Theory & Multiverses
01:02:54 (3.2) Other dimensions: UAPs disappearing
01:04:25 (3.3) Other dimensions: Orbs flying through matter
01:07:22 Conclusions so far
01:12:35 Book Reading
01:21:24 Q: Bible Higher-Self & Reincarnation
01:24:46 Matt 10:28 "fear not death"
01:25:32 Hebrews 9:27 "death & judgement"
01:28:23 Psalms 139 "womb"
01:30:05 Bhagavad Gita
01:32:36 Pushing back, authority?
01:36:20 Q&A
Links to resources mentioned in the show:
View this podcast on our website: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-062-the-burden-of-proof-part1/
Watch the original live stream of this episode: https://rumble.com/v6ucwxl-twb-live-ep.062-the-burden-of-proof-spirituality-and-reincarnation-spiritua.html
Find all our original Rumble Live videos: https://rumble.com/c/TheWayBack/livestreams
Ask a question or give feedback: https://thewaybackgroup.org/free-online-resources/live-show/ask-a-spiritual-question/
Testing a Navy SEALs Remote Viewing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZDutOB4lM
CIA Remote Viewing Notes example: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R003400140004-6.pdf
Nina Kulagina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina
Nina Kulagina documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jef7hQ3VO8I
Out-of Body Experiences OBEs aka OOBEs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
NCBI Neurology and OBEs: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC535951/
Near Death Experiences NDEs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience
Ep.050 on Monster Energy Drink: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-050-is-ryan-reynolds-satanic/
NY Times Meditation and Crime: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/28/opinion/l-crime-rate-dropped-in-meditation-period-531893.html
TM testimonial https://thewaybackgroup.org/meditation-and-your-spiritual-journey-to-god/testimonials-about-meditation/
Power of positive thinking: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/the-power-of-positive-thinking
Pfizer and Placebo: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC381039/
Big Pharma making up diseases to sell drugs? https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1124933/
Placebo means 38% improvement in perceived sex for women: https://www.nature.com/articles/sc2010107
Positive self-talk in sports performance: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8947089/
String Theory: https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/hires/2014/1-auniverseof1.jpg
Disappearing UAPs: https://signalscv.com/2025/05/what-newly-released-ufo-reports-reveal/
UAP flies through rock at skinwalker ranch: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1aeq3bl/it_came_right_out_of_the_mesa_did_uap_enter/
Paranormal footage of light orbs: https://thewaybackgroup.org/articles/paranormal-ghosts-orbs-light-beings/
Multiverses: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/what-is-the-multiverse
21 Grams: https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/05/13/1105956.htm
Spirit in the bible: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/spirit/
Soul in the bible: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/soul/
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Thank you for listening to this show. If you'd like more spiritual content then check out "The Way Back to Spiritual Awakening" podcast, the "Time With Books" show, and also visit TheWayBackGroup.org where you'll find loads of free resources to help you get the most from your spiritual journey. Check out my books and films. - Mark
Please note that a transcript, where present, has been automatically created based on the audio and so may contain some transcription errors. But we hope the benefit of having the words transcribed outweigh any glitches. Thanks.
Join me as I explore ways to help a spiritual sceptic to recognise spiritual truths using science and evidence that is available to everyone. We look at three main topics: Beyond your body, the power of thought, and higher-dimensions. Plus as well as reading from the "Spiritual Life Explained" book, we take a look at historical and biblical evidence of reincarnation.
Episode notes & timings:
As ever the timings are for the actual video live show and you can transpose them for the audio podcast by taking about 3 min 30 seconds off the times shown below.
00:05:22 Show begins, I give the background story to today's topic
00:11:00 Burden of proof - Spiritual Propositions
00:18:13 (1.1) Beyond your body: Remote Viewing
00:24:37 (1.2) Beyond your body: Telekinetic Nina Kulagina
00:30:55 (1.3) Beyond your body: Out of Body Experience OBEs
00:36:25 (1.4) Beyond your body: Near Death Experience NDEs
00:41:00 (1.5) Beyond your body: Walk-ins
00:44:27 (2.1) Effect of thoughts: Masaru Emoto & Water
00:47:50 (2.2) Effect of thoughts: Meditation v Crime
00:50:55 (2.3) Effect of thoughts: Positivism & Health
00:51:35 (2.4) Effect of thoughts: Placebo
00:55:25 (2.5) Effect of thoughts: Self talk & Sports Performance
00:56:35 (3.1) Other dimensions: String Theory & Multiverses
01:02:54 (3.2) Other dimensions: UAPs disappearing
01:04:25 (3.3) Other dimensions: Orbs flying through matter
01:07:22 Conclusions so far
01:12:35 Book Reading
01:21:24 Q: Bible Higher-Self & Reincarnation
01:24:46 Matt 10:28 "fear not death"
01:25:32 Hebrews 9:27 "death & judgement"
01:28:23 Psalms 139 "womb"
01:30:05 Bhagavad Gita
01:32:36 Pushing back, authority?
01:36:20 Q&A
Links to resources mentioned in the show:
View this podcast on our website: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-062-the-burden-of-proof-part1/
Watch the original live stream of this episode: https://rumble.com/v6ucwxl-twb-live-ep.062-the-burden-of-proof-spirituality-and-reincarnation-spiritua.html
Find all our original Rumble Live videos: https://rumble.com/c/TheWayBack/livestreams
Ask a question or give feedback: https://thewaybackgroup.org/free-online-resources/live-show/ask-a-spiritual-question/
Testing a Navy SEALs Remote Viewing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZDutOB4lM
CIA Remote Viewing Notes example: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R003400140004-6.pdf
Nina Kulagina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina
Nina Kulagina documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jef7hQ3VO8I
Out-of Body Experiences OBEs aka OOBEs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
NCBI Neurology and OBEs: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC535951/
Near Death Experiences NDEs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience
Ep.050 on Monster Energy Drink: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-050-is-ryan-reynolds-satanic/
NY Times Meditation and Crime: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/28/opinion/l-crime-rate-dropped-in-meditation-period-531893.html
TM testimonial https://thewaybackgroup.org/meditation-and-your-spiritual-journey-to-god/testimonials-about-meditation/
Power of positive thinking: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/the-power-of-positive-thinking
Pfizer and Placebo: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC381039/
Big Pharma making up diseases to sell drugs? https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1124933/
Placebo means 38% improvement in perceived sex for women: https://www.nature.com/articles/sc2010107
Positive self-talk in sports performance: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8947089/
String Theory: https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/hires/2014/1-auniverseof1.jpg
Disappearing UAPs: https://signalscv.com/2025/05/what-newly-released-ufo-reports-reveal/
UAP flies through rock at skinwalker ranch: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1aeq3bl/it_came_right_out_of_the_mesa_did_uap_enter/
Paranormal footage of light orbs: https://thewaybackgroup.org/articles/paranormal-ghosts-orbs-light-beings/
Multiverses: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/what-is-the-multiverse
21 Grams: https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/05/13/1105956.htm
Spirit in the bible: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/spirit/
Soul in the bible: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/soul/
Screenshots from the live show:
Images not showing? Click here to see the spiritual live show screenshots in a web browser.
Ask a question
Episode list
Thank you for listening to this show. If you'd like more spiritual content then check out "The Way Back to Spiritual Awakening" podcast, the "Time With Books" show, and also visit TheWayBackGroup.org where you'll find loads of free resources to help you get the most from your spiritual journey. Check out my books and films. - Mark
Please note that a transcript, where present, has been automatically created based on the audio and so may contain some transcription errors. But we hope the benefit of having the words transcribed outweigh any glitches. Thanks.
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