Todd and Wels sit down in the Twin Cities with longtime friend and collaborator Andy Gray, Executive Director of Catalyst for Harmony. From a heart attack the morning after announcing his transition to launch Catalyst, to building discipleship-centered cohorts and national Sankofa trips, Andy shares why nonprofit growth has to be intentional—rooted in vision, paced with patience, and supported by systems, brand, and storytelling. We also unpack VBG’s role in helping Catalyst translate mission into media, including documentary work from Sankofa journeys.What You’ll LearnWhy “build slow, build strong” beats quick wins for nonprofit impactHow to stand up a new nonprofit: board, legal, finance, site, and fundraising platformThe power of discipleship-driven formation over one-off eventsWhy Sankofa trips create lasting empathy and multi-ethnic ministry momentumPractical advice for leaders: align vision with infrastructure and generational skill setsHow brand, video, and web help unlock grants, partnerships, and community trustHighlights & Timestamps00:01 – Cold open and on-location intro from the Twin Cities03:30 – Andy’s story: engineering, pastoring, then launching Catalyst for Harmony07:12 – The moment that sparked action: Philando Castile, presence, and pastoral care13:51 – 2020–2022: calling crystallizes, paperwork, launch—then recovery after a heart attack23:08 – Starting a nonprofit: articles, board, payroll, website, and why details matter28:05 – Visionaries need operators: pace yourself for five-year outcomes31:12 – Generational collaboration: pairing mission with modern media and systems36:42 – National Sankofa initiative, and the Flourishing Together Cohort model40:15 – What’s next: more cohorts, a larger national trip, deeper church partnerships

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