In this episode I’m in conversation with Hugo Jenkins, owner of The 25th Company, a user experience and product design consultancy from Melbourne Australia.---In this episode I’m in conversation with Hugo Jenkins, owner of The 25th Company, a user experience and product design consultancy from Melbourne AustraliaHugo and his wife also run Things For Kids,A childrens' activity directory born from their own experiences of becoming parents and the struggles with wellbeing and the all important work-life balance.We discuss overcoming the fears of leaving tradition employed life and going out on your own as a contractor or starting your own business, the connections between musicians, designers and the by-gone era of myspace skinning.

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