What if the real magic of Wicked isn’t the spells, but the way friendship, shame, and belonging shape who we become?

In this episode, Savannah and Lee dive into the deeper themes of Wicked: For Good, from dreams that come true but don’t satisfy, to the power of propaganda, to the power of shame with an in-group/out-group mentality. They also unpack Glinda and Elphaba’s friendship: how Elphaba gives Glinda moral courage and authenticity, and how Glinda gives Elphaba trust, confidence, and a place to be known without performing.



Things we mentioned in this episode:

Did the Old Testament Endorse Slavery? by Dr. Joshua Bowen

Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness

The Happiness Project by Gretchen Rubin

1984 by George Orwell

Animal Farm by George Orwell

The Tears of Things by Richard Rohr

That All Shall Be Saved by David Bentley Hart

The New Testament: A Translation David Bentley Hart



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