In this powerhouse episode of The Programming Podcast, hosts Danny Thompson and Leon Noel sit down with Mark Techson — DevRel at Google and a longtime educator — to dive deep into Angular, DevRel, tech education, and how to create transformational learning experiences. From Google I/O prep to why Angular still thrives in enterprise environments, Mark opens up about his journey from teaching in churches to influencing thousands of developers globally. Whether you're React-curious, Angular-biased, or figuring out your tech journey — this episode will challenge how you think about frameworks, developer growth, and what success really looks like in this industry.🔥 Real advice. Real experience. Real value. Hit that like & subscribe button to support more episodes like this!NEW SITE https://www.programmingpodcast.com/Stay in Touch:📧 Have ideas or questions for the show? Or are you a business that wants to talk business?Email us at [email protected]!Danny Thompsonhttps://x.com/DThompsonDevhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/DThompsonDevwww.DThompsonDev.comLeon Noelhttps://x.com/leonnoelhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/leonnoel/https://100devs.org/📧 Have ideas or questions for the show? Or are you a business that wants to talk business?Email us at [email protected]!💡 Topics covered:What DevRel actually does at GoogleAngular’s evolution and futureSignals, hydration, and bleeding-edge web techDeveloper education and breaking down hard conceptsThe mindset shift from junior to impactful developerPowerful personal stories on teaching, mentorship, and legacy in tech0:00 Intro01:05 - Meet Your Hosts: Danny, Leon, and Mark02:00 - What is DevRel *Really*?05:00 - A Day in the Life of DevRel at Google08:00 - Why Fortune 500 Companies Still Use Angular10:35 - Modernizing Angular: Signals, Hydration & More13:10 - How Google Listens to the Developer Community15:25 - Angular's Opt-In Philosophy & Avoiding Breaking Changes16:45 - What Caused the Angular Perception Problem?19:45 - Rebuilding Angular’s Image & Modern Relevance22:00 - Transformational Education: Teaching Angular Differently25:00 - Creating Talks That Change Worldviews27:00 - From Church to Code: The Roots of a Great Communicator29:00 - Evolving Notions of Success in Tech Careers32:00 - Life Lessons: From Struggle to Strategic Planning36:30 - Impact Through Mentorship & Developer Cohorts40:10 - Cohort Project Spotlight: Smart Tenant Solution42:00 - The Power of Being a Hard Worker with a Plan44:00 - Learning to Learn: Avoiding Accidental Days46:05 - Teaching Moments: Students Who Were Meant for This47:00 - Listener Question: How Far Down the JavaScript Rabbit Hole?50:00 - Why JavaScript + TypeScript Still Makes Sense54:00 - Danny’s Rant: Don't Just Trust Random Internet Advice56:30 - Final Thoughts & Farewell

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