Mike talks with Lura Forcum, president of the Independent Center, an organization that represents people who are fed up with partisan politics and feel politically homeless.

Topics Mike & Lura discuss include:


how Lura went from a marketing professor to running the Independent Center

true independents vs learners

if there are enough independents to make a real difference

whether partisan politics is such a bad thing

the two-party stranglehold on political power

how the Independent Center hopes to change things


Check out Lura's podcast: We Made This Political

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