In this episode of The Next Interview, host Doland White sits down with Chris Murray, the creator of 30 Wins, to uncover the real science behind personal transformation and success. Chris shares how his unexpected journey into personal development taught him the critical importance of small, consistent wins. He introduces his “Four Pillars of Success”—the What, Why, Who, and Way—and explains how they help leaders and individuals overcome fear, anxiety, and limiting beliefs. If you’ve struggled to turn vision into action, this conversation will give you a proven system to plan deliberately, build habits that stick, and celebrate meaningful wins along the way.

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