Karen met Olena at the Chino Conference on the Quest for a Spiritual Home and here they talk about Olena's background and her participation in TLC.Timestamps00:00 Intro13:27 Karen and Olena discuss Jordan Peterson's teachings on the Bible and their impact on faith. 25:45 Discussion on structured vs unstructured thinking and the tension between masculine and feminine perspectives. 32:26 Balancing Masculine and Feminine Energies 43:56 "The Tract Illustration" 45:51 Discussion on Matthew Pageau’s book, The Language of Creation 48:20 Software Engineering and Language as fundamental 58:45 The Limits of Knowledge and Determinism 1:01:52 Cultivating Humility and Empathy 1:10:28 The Healing Power of Beauty and Art

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