Throwing it back to old video games, Pete and Jen ping-pong back and forth about what we might learn from games like Zelda when thinking about leadership and growth.Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:How might we think about challenges in life as quests?What are different ways in which we can level up?How might we find excitement in the unknown?To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/.You can subscribe to our Box O’ Goodies here (https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/) and receive a weekly email full of book and podcast recommendations, quotes, videos, and other interesting things that Jen and Pete are noodling on. To get in touch, send an email to: [email protected] more about Pete's work here (https://humanperiscope.com/) and Jen's work here (https://jenwaldman.com/).

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