If children love the sound and feel of words, then why don't we all grow up to be writers and poets? In this episode, Cate talks to poet, writer and children's literature expert Michael Rosen about how we go from playing with language as young children, to becoming confident (or not-so-confident) adults who use language for reading, talking and writing. Why does he think being silly is a good idea sometimes? Doesn't writing or poetry have to be deadly serious? And why is learning through talk so important to both children and adults, not just in arts subjects but in scientific contexts, like hospitals, too?

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