In this episode of "The Conversion Show," Erik Christiansen, CEO of Justuno, interviews Drew Sanocki, Founder of PostPilot. Drew has an extensive background in retail and shares his insights on how direct mail can be a game-changer for e-commerce businesses and explains the features of PostPilot, including segmentation, automation, remarketing, retargeting, and acquisition. Erik and Drew discuss:The integration capabilities of Post Pilot with platforms like Shopify and Klaviyo.The concept of the discount ladder and the 30, 60, 90 plan.Optimizing retention, basket size, and conversion rates before focusing on customer acquisition. The key to effective postcard designs is treating direct mail like a Facebook ad. The shift in mindset regarding direct-to-consumer brands.Watch the episode on The Conversion Show YouTube channelHost: Erik Christiansen https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikc/Guest: Drew Sanocki https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanocki/Justuno https://www.justuno.com/PostPilot https://postpilot.com/Transcript:Intro 00:00:05Welcome to the Conversion Show, a podcast that's all about. You guessed it, conversions, everything that gets you to your goal, whether that's purchase, lead capture app, install content downloads, chat engagement, or demo requests. We're talking conversions hosted by Erik Christiansen, CEO and co-founder of the leading conversion optimization platform, Justuno. On the conversion show, Erik sits down with industry-leading marketers, e-commerce growth experts, founders, and entrepreneurs to chat all things conversion marketing. Be sure to follow the conversion show podcast to be notified when a new episode goes live. Like what you hear? Leave us some love with a review. And now here's your host, Eric Christiansen.Erik 00:00:51Welcome to the conversion show today. I'm really proud to have my guest, Drew Sanocki, who we go back ten-plus years and I encourage anyone listening if you're in front of a computer and type Drew Sanocki into LinkedIn and you're going to find a background that is is very well, what's the word? Diverse. Drew 00:01:17Long and boring.Erik 00:01:18It's well-versed. KarmelLoop retailer he's been a retailer himself he is now CEO of Post Pilot a direct-to-consumer postcards highly segmented which is what we're going to get into today. Very exciting. So let's welcome to the show Drew.Drew 00:01:37 Thanks, Eric. It's good to see you again. As you said, we've known each other for ten-plus years. I remember when we took over Karmaloop you know, we got it out of bankruptcy. And one of the first things we did was put Justuno up. And that was probably 2014, 2015, just to reengineer the pop up. And they were amazed at how we went from, I don't know, we probably ten next to the opt-ins in a week back then.Erik 00:02:02Drew has always been a...

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