Jenny and Liz talk to Dr Marysia Tarnowska about their journey into heritage science from a background in chemistry: from molecular bonds to leather deterioration! Jenny also talks to Dr Josep Grau-Bove from the Icon Heritage Science Group about how we can communicate better as both conservators and scientists. Finally, tune in for a review of ‘Soft Paint and the Care of Paintings’ from Liz!

00:01:10 From chemistry to museum adventures
00:07:35 A project is born
00:14:53 Scientific papers are an endurance sport
00:17:23 Ways into heritage science
00:19:08 Communicating with conservators
00:24:02 Reaching scientists early on
00:34:28 Museums doing research
00:40:53 Getting involved with scientists
00:43:42 University is where it’s at
00:47:13 Don’t forget about the Marsh Awards
00:48:00 Patreon shout-out
00:48:37 Interview with Dr Josep Grau-Bove
01:03:11 Review: Soft Paint and the Care of Paintings

Show Notes:
- Find Marysia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marysia-tarnowska/
- Follow Marysia on Twitter: https://twitter.com/supra_marysia
- Blog entry by Lucia Burgio at the V&A: https://www.vam.ac.uk/blog/caring-for-our-collections/a-week-in-the-life-of-a-va-heritage-scientist-intro
- Red rot (Wikipedia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rot
- Museum of Leathercraft: https://museumofleathercraft.org/
- Leather Conservation Centre: https://leatherconservation.org/
- Institute for Creative Leather Technologies: https://www.northampton.ac.uk/research/research-institutes-and-centres/institute-for-creative-leather-technologies/
- S09E06 Leather: https://thecword.show/2021/06/02/s09e06-leather/
- ICPMS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry
- /r/ArtConservation: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtConservation/
- Icon Heritage Science Group: https://www.icon.org.uk/groups-and-networks/heritage-science.html
- European Research Infrastructure for Heritage Science (E-RIHS): https://www.e-rihs.eu/
- MoLab: https://www.iperionhs.eu/molab/
- AHRC (Arts and Humanities Research Council): https://www.ukri.org/councils/ahrc/
- Research at Amgueddfa Cymru: https://museum.wales/research/
- Cultural Heritage Agency of the Netherlands: https://english.cultureelerfgoed.nl/
- Marsh Conservation Awards 2024: https://www.icon.org.uk/impact/the-marsh-conservation-awards.html
- Dr Josep Grau-Bove at UCL: https://profiles.ucl.ac.uk/33855-josep-graubove
- UCL Institute for Sustainable Heritage: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/heritage/ucl-institute-sustainable-heritage
- Dr Katherine Curran at UCL: https://profiles.ucl.ac.uk/34356-katherine-curran/
- Soft Paint and the Care of Paintings book: https://archetype.co.uk/our-titles/soft-paint-and-the-care-of-paintings/?id=450

Previous ‘Working With’ episodes:
- S07E04 Working With Techs: https://thecword.show/2020/05/27/s07e04-working-with-techs/
- S09E01 Working With Front of House: https://thecword.show/2021/03/24/s09e01-working-with-front-of-house/
- S10E02 Working With Curators: https://thecword.show/2021/09/29/s10e02-working-with-curators/
- S11E03 Working With Learning: https://thecword.show/2022/04/20/s11e03-working-with-learning/
- S13E04 Working With Adult Learning: https://thecword.show/2023/05/03/s13e04-working-with-adult-learning/

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Hosted by Liz Hébert, Jenny Mathiasson, and Dr Marysia Tarnowska.

Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

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A Wooden Dice production, 2024.

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