Software testing research is exploding, but in practice, most companies' testing approaches seem stuck in the past. Where does that gap come from?It often boils down to the distance between academic promises and the practical needs of developers who need usable tools and fast results.In this episode, David talks with Rohan Padhye, head of the PASTA research group at Carnegie Mellon University, who has lived on both sides of that divide. They explore how fuzz testing crossed that chasm—from industry curiosity to academic focus and back again—and what it will take for other techniques to do the same.Rohan shares insights on designing testable software, building a robust testing culture, and what truly makes a "good" property for finding bugs.

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