In this episode, we chat with Ivan, co-founder and CEO of Daytona, about the evolution of developer environments and tooling. We explore his journey from founding CodeAnywhere in 2009, one of the first browser-based IDEs, to creating the popular Shift developer conference, and now building Daytona's dev environment automation platform. We discuss the changing landscape of development environments, from local-only setups to today's complex hybrid configurations, and why managing these environments has become increasingly challenging. Ivan shares insights about open source business models, the distinction between users and buyers in dev tools, and what the future holds for AI-assisted development. We also learn about Daytona's unique approach to solving dev environment complexity through standardization and automation, and get Ivan's perspective on the future of IDE companies in an AI-driven world.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Ivan and Daytona07:22 Understanding Development Environments13:59 The User vs. Buyer Dilemma22:20 Open Source Strategy and Community Building29:22 How Daytona Works and Its Value Proposition37:44 Emerging Trends in Collaborative Coding44:38 Latency Challenges in AI-Assisted Development50:41 The Future of Developer Tooling Companies01:02:29 Lessons from Organizing Conferences

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