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100% optional $4.99/Month all-access T&A Membership LINKhttps://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/ta21/subscribeT&A Podcast - Episode SummaryThis is Part 2 of an interview with Chris, a professional advantage player. The episode dives deep into advanced card counting systems, casino experiences, and practical advice for aspiring advantage players.Chris discusses his transition from the Hi-Lo counting system to the more advanced CAC2 (a level-two count system), explaining the substantial advantages it provides. The conversation covers practical casino experiences, including dealing with trolls online, handling casino cage disputes, tipping strategies, and the realities of professional blackjack play.Hi-Lo vs. CAC2 Comparison: Chris explains why he switched from the popular Hi-Lo system to CAC2, a level-two counting systemPerformance Metrics: CAC2 shows approximately 2-2.5% average advantage compared to Hi-Lo's 0.75-1%Win Rate Differences: On a 6-deck game ($25-$2000 spread), CAC2 produces $611/hour vs Hi-Lo's $177/hourDouble Deck Advantages: On double deck games, CAC2 shows 3.13% EV with $1,640/hour vs Hi-Lo's 3.3% EV with $700/hourSystem Details: CAC2 is available on qfit.com for approximately $100Prediction: Chris believes CAC2 could eventually replace Hi-Lo as the gold standardDealing with inexperienced players asking for free simulation adviceThe importance of investing in proper tools (CVCX, Blackjack Apprenticeship software)Cage Dispute Story: Chris shares a detailed account of refusing to provide ID for a $1,500 cashout (below the $10,000 legal threshold)Importance of knowing your legal rights vs. casino policiesBack Counting: Chris's partner can allegedly back count up to 4 tables simultaneouslyBetting Ramps: Different optimal ramps for Hi-Lo vs. CAC2Session Management: Importance of staying calm but firm in disputesStrategy of betting tips alongside your bet (only costs the EV, not the full amount)Using tips strategically for cover or dealer goodwillDealers often taught basic strategy for games different from what they dealDifferences between tribal and commercial casinosChris's partner is described as "one of the best players still playing in the world"Expertise in multiple advantage play techniques beyond countingImportance of partnering with skilled players"If you can master that count, I think it's actually a great count. And I could foresee in the reasonable future CAC2 actually replacing Hi-Lo as the gold standard of counting."RESOURCES MENTIONEDCVCX (Casino Vérité Blackjack) - Professional simulation softwareBJA PBS (Blackjack Apprenticeship Pro Betting Software) - Recently upgradedCAC2 Counting System - Available at qfit.com for ~$100Norm Wattenberger - Creator of CVCX and owner of qfit.com.
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