"Corporate America hates the word fun because they think it doesn't imply business results. You can't change your culture by talking about it. You have to give people a toolkit they choose to use when you're not around. So, make it fun. And then you can change your culture." – Duncan Wardle in E07 of Sync or Swim: Navigating COVID-19 with Creativity & Innovation In this episode of the Sync Or Swim podcast, we discussed grit, persistence, trial and error, and willingness to fail — in other words, we talked about fun! Featuring: Duncan Wardle, former Vice President of Innovation and Creativity at The Walt Disney Company.  What we talked about: How Duncan went from tending bar to Disney exec What creativity and innovation mean Where the barriers to creativity lie How to apply the principles of creativity to multifamily (other industries) Check out the podcast on Apple, Google Podcasts, Spotify, or on our website here.

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