A chance to slow down and listen to the wild turkeys—that's what spirituality means to Isaac, who joins Beth Kelling for a deeply personal conversation about finding the divine in unexpected places. This thoughtful exchange reveals how our spiritual journeys often intertwine with our greatest challenges.Isaac shares his approach to Christianity that "goes against the grain," believing that sacred experiences happen beyond church walls. His spiritual curiosity was nurtured by a mother who encouraged questioning everything through daily morning debates, leading him to explore diverse religious traditions from Buddhism to demonology before finding his own path.The conversation takes a vulnerable turn as Isaac opens up about facing fears—literally confronting his fear of heights daily in his roofing profession—and his journey through addiction. His candid reflection on quitting alcohol after an allergic reaction and the birth of his son reveals how watershed moments can transform our lives. Perhaps most powerful is his insight on overcoming tobacco addiction: "Lydia for sure. You got to be a man about it and just do it." This sparks Beth's reflection that while we're taught to love ourselves first, sometimes it's our love for others that helps us heal.Their exchange exposes the paradox of religious communities that preach forgiveness while practicing judgment, from family reactions to tattoos to the pressure to appear perfect in church. This authenticity makes their conversation feel like eavesdropping on two friends discussing life's biggest questions without pretense.What emerges is a refreshing perspective on spirituality that embraces both tradition and questioning, structure and freedom, self-love and the love of others. Have you found your garden—that place where, like Jesus in scripture, you can truly connect with something greater than yourself?0:00 Introduction to Spirituality and Sobriety3:35 Finding God in Different Places8:15 Debating Faith and Learning Religions14:20 Facing Fears and Confrontation19:20 Christianity, Judgment and Forgiveness22:10 Conspiracy Theories and Taylor Swift24:30 Journey Through Addiction and Sobriety28:50 Quitting for Others and Future Generations

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