In this conversation, Chris and Saad discuss the impact of bad managers on employee retention. Chris shares that several of his close friends have recently resigned due to bad management, and they all resigned without having lined up new opportunities. They explore the reasons behind bad management, including the lack of training for managers and the common practice of promoting individuals without providing them with the necessary skills and support. They also discuss the need for dual tracks in career progression, where individuals can choose to pursue managerial or individual contributor roles. The conversation highlights the importance of creating opportunities for growth and providing support for managers to succeed in their roles. This conversation covers various topics related to scaling teams, the role of a manager, and the importance of support and accountability. The speakers discuss the challenges of adding more engineers to a team and the concept of the Two Pizza Rule. They also emphasize the importance of empathy, teamwork, and honesty in managerial support. The conversation delves into the four A's of giving and receiving feedback and the role of a player coach. The speakers highlight the challenges of being an engineering manager and the impact of good managers and mentors. The conversation concludes with a reminder to seek growth outside of one's comfort zone.

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