In Episode 2 of Spiral We Radio, Dr. Barry Gelston and Dr. Karen Arnsteen dive deep into the Spiral Adaptive Lens, a way of viewing and relating to people that fosters adaptive, meaningful connections — especially for those who are neurodiverse. Building on their decades of experience as educators, researchers, and advocates, Barry and Karen share how curiosity, investigation, and improvisation form the backbone of this approach, and why it matters in classrooms, workplaces, and everyday relationships. With real-life stories, practical insights, and a healthy dose of humor, they unpack how shifting perspective can change outcomes for learners and the people who support them. For more information, follow our Substack at https://spiralwe.substack.com/

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