Socrates engages with Mark Gavigan of Bread and Flours in Palm Springs CA, who is leading a quiet revolution in the seemingly stale world of bread. Socrates asks whether there is such a thing as “proper bread” and whether Mark is the right person to bake it. Mark has some fascinating answers and elaborates on whether it is possible to start a small business in Southern California, whether it is possible to simplify and get back to basics in our day and age, and what it means to be part of a community. Mark and Socrates conclude by debating whether leading a good life should mean doing one thing incredibly well rather than doing a lot of things with mediocrity.

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