Andrew saw Saturn through a telescope and launched MetaMonster's new UI, but users won't activate! 🔭 Getting 1-2 daily signups with zero engagement while testing Phantom Buster for LinkedIn scraping. Sean presents his Michelin star agency framework and they debate reviving Chart Juice as a ChatGPT app. Plus: why web design agencies might be better customers than SEO agencies.Links:Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/.Transcript:00:01.07SeanHowdy.00:02.27AndrewHi, hi, hi.00:03.52Seanand We've had so many false starts of season four, think.00:08.60AndrewYeah, is this not season eight? I thought we were on season eight now.00:11.73SeanYou're right, you're right, you're right. It was a limited series for the first but past four seasons.00:16.07AndrewOne, two episodes.00:17.93SeanYeah, yeah, yeah. It's like those those like which TV shows did in the middle of COVID, and you know? It's like, yeah, season's over. We'll just, yeah.00:25.89AndrewYeah. I feel like I haven't talked to you in forever, and you're... so busy now that you don't even respond to my slack messages00:35.68SeanSorry. Hold on. I don't like that you said those things together because you made it sound like I'm the reason we haven't talked in forever.00:43.15Andrewyou are no no no it's like 25 true i was gallivanting in the woods for two weeks so i was away from atlanta for a month uh i was00:43.93Seanwhich Which is 75% true. didn't realize you were going for two weeks. I thought you were and that you're only... how How was it? Whoa.00:59.42Seanwell01:00.47AndrewYeah, I went in cat sit for my parents for a week. I went to Washington for two weeks, hung out with friends, went backpacking, then rented a car and drove around the Olympic Peninsula by myself, which was fucking awesome.01:13.33SeanNice.01:14.15AndrewJumped in the Pacific Ocean, jumped in Alpine Lake, climbed some sketchy mountains, saw a ton of beautiful views, walked in the rainforest, saw Saturn through a telescope.01:25.43SeanWhoa. Whoa.01:26.43AndrewIt was, yeah!01:26.92SeanWhat?01:28.38AndrewI feel like that's the one I always mention last, and that's the one that people get most excited about.01:28.45SeanYou've been like on01:32.82SeanYeah. You've had like a whole secret life of Walter Mini situation in the past.01:33.96AndrewOne night, dude, it was great.01:37.56SeanUh-huh.01:38.45AndrewI made a friend hiking down a trail one day, and she was telling me that she'd just come from this campsite and was checking the little board at the campsite and saw that the rangers were doing a telescope night.01:51.67SeanRight.01:51.74AndrewAnd so she said it was great. It was super fun. So I went and stayed at that campsite the next night. and they were doing it again and it was awesome there were like 50 or 60 people who drove up to the top of the mountain and parked and were just like walking around in the dark because you can't have white light it ruins the ability to see through the the telescope and everything it you know dampens your night vision so there were like 50 or 60 strangers02:11.72Seanright02:19.55Andrewmilling around in the dark, just quietly chatting with each other, waiting in lines to look through telescopes. And they had four huge telescopes trained at different things in the night sky. And one of the things we got to see was Saturn.02:31.90AndrewIt was like a little little tiny little tiny Saturn. it was you know these These telescopes were not big enough to blow it up. yeah We weren't looking through the James Webb Space Telescope, but it was still really cool.02:39.31SeanSure.02:42.07SeanRight.02:43.74AndrewYou could see the rings.02:43.91SeanYeah.02:44.78AndrewIt's like, holy shit, that's planet.02:45.19SeanWhoa.02:48.54SeanCool. Nice.02:49.75AndrewYeah. Yeah. So, yeah. And then I was in San Diego for a week. So fully, fully my fault. there's There's at least a month in there that was fully my fault.03:01.06AndrewI'd had kind of aspirations of like, maybe I'll drive to a coffee shop and we should do like a podcast episode from a coffee shop on the Olympic Peninsula.03:01.41SeanOkay.03:10.62AndrewAnd yeah, no way that was happening.03:13.08Seanwe can We can split it fifty fifty It's both our faults.03:17.92SeanThat's cool. You ever think about like how like crazy it is that when human... like you know I understand, like okay, like you're like, oh, hey, there are things in the sky. I want to go look at things in the sky and tell magnifying glass exists. We keep stacking them. We can start to see things in the sky.03:33.30SeanAnd then just like the realization of, like oh, shit, there's more like giant balls of things out there.03:40.80AndrewThe thing that the always gets me is when I start thinking about how you're looking back in time because of how light travels and everything.03:50.64SeanRight, right, right.03:52.07Andrewyou Light can only travel so fast. And so when something's 100 light years away, And you're seeing it. You're literally looking back in time 100 years.04:04.85SeanYeah, that doesn't make sense in my head.04:06.99AndrewIt's fucking batshit.04:07.19SeanBut yeah, that is pretty cool.04:08.39AndrewIt's so cool. Space is wild.04:12.38SeanYeah, yeah.04:12.59AndrewHot take.04:13.39SeanPhysics is...04:16.09AndrewThe coldest take possible.04:16.81Seanphysics Physics is so is wild.04:20.00AndrewYeah.04:22.19SeanAnyway, how doing?04:23.62AndrewHow...04:23.84SeanHow's it been?04:25.86Andrewuh how am i doing but but good and bad and medium and all the things uh the hiking and being in the woods was fantastic brighton seo was a lot of fun i made a bunch of new seo friends uh there were a couple of times where i didn't04:33.18SeanOkay.04:48.95Andrewwant to be an extrovert. I didn't want to talk to strangers and I made myself do it and i had a lot of fun doing it and yeah, mean made a bunch of friends. Hasn't turned into leads or customers yet, which is to be expected.05:05.80Andrewyou know I wasn't really going there expecting this time to get a bunch of customers. It was more about let me build relationships, let me make friends because then05:12.14SeanSorry.05:18.01Andrewyou know, those are more, those are people I can lean on to amplify content a...

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