How does someone with an unaccredited Bible degree generate six figures by age 23 and build a podcasting empire? In this episode of Real Returns, hosts Andrew Reichert and Dan Croce sit down with Travis Chappell, podcaster, entrepreneur, and investor, to explore his unconventional journey from door-to-door sales to podcast empire. Travis reveals why he believes Gen Z and millennials must "earn their way to retirement" rather than save their way there, his philosophy on creating value before asking for compensation, and how investing in yourself can deliver 10x returns compared to traditional investments. From growing up in a religious cult to living in Las Vegas, Travis shares the mindset shifts and strategies that helped him build wealth through relationships, skills, and scalable side hustles. Timestamps: 00:00 - Opening: The Value-First Philosophy 02:45 - Travis's Background: From Cult to College 06:15 - The Podcasting Journey Begins 07:20 - Why Earning Beats Saving for Wealth Building 11:00 - The Problem with Traditional Financial Advice 14:00 - Adding Value to Your Current Job 16:20 - Side Hustle Strategy and Scalability 20:45 - Investing in Yourself: The Ultimate ROI 22:15 - AI and Future-Proof Skills 26:50 - Principles vs. Platforms 28:25 - Lightning Round Key Quotes: "People think they get paid for their time, but they don't. We all get paid for the value we bring to the marketplace. Bar none. That's it." - Travis Chappell "You are the number one investment you should be making and you're the only investment that you can make that will always have a return." - Travis Chappell "We have to earn our way to retirement. We're not gonna be able to save our way to retirement." - Travis Chappell -- Connect with Travis Chappell: Podcasts: "Travis Makes Money" (daily) and "Travis Makes Friends" (weekly) Instagram: @TravisChappell – Subscribe to Real Returns wherever you listen to podcasts for more insights on impactful investing and wealth building strategies. Visit our website to learn more about creating real returns through real estate and alternative investments. -- LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, AND LEAVE US A REVIEW on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, YouTube, or whatever platform you listen on. Thank you for tuning in, and Stay Tuned for the next episode COMING SOON  

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