In this episode I am joined by my co-authors, Adrian, Ciaran and Jess, of the CyberSecurity ABC's book for a long overdue catch up. We hadn't been able to spend anytime chatting for a while and so it was fabulous to get us all together again to enjoy having a talk about security awareness, behaviour and culture. We touch on not just the challenge of employee awareness, behaviour and culture but also about industry stakeholder's roles in recognising the long overdue need for change. We explore the role of the environment in people's decision making through the way Covid 19 has shaped not just the world but highlighted the need for continually re-assessing employee education and awareness. We tread the well-trodden path and saying that education and awareness doesn't always deliver changes in behaviour and culture, and we ponder whether there needs to be a change in the language that industry uses to really break through the glass ceiling that's been imposed on everyone responsible for employee education and awareness. It's a great episode, touching on so much, with some laughter rolled in and a dodgy rendition of the Thompson Twin's Doctor, Doctor track as well.

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