Most founders talk about growth. Hamad Dawood talks about grit.In this episode of Podcast for Phoenixes, he breaks down what it really takes to build in a system that isn’t designed for you to win — how conviction replaces comfort, how purpose outlasts funding, and how real leadership is tested when everything starts falling apart.Hamad shares the mindset shifts that separate dreamers from builders — from managing chaos and uncertainty to building teams that can think, act, and endure beyond the founder.This isn’t startup theater. It’s the truth behind building something that lasts.🚀 Watch the full conversation with Hamad Dawood — a raw look into the builder’s burden and the mindset that powers Pakistan’s next generation of founders.

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