In middle school Mackey Saturday's mother told him he should pursue graphic design, but at the time he thought the art form was reserved for artistic "cheaters." Later he would go onto to earn a degree in fine arts with a concentration in metalsmithing. After school he realized he could take art and turn it into something valuable and objective, which led him into design where he became the design principal at Chermayeff & Geismar & Haviv.   In this episode, we discuss: Origin story Chermayeff & Geismar & Haviv The best clients Design heroes   You can download this episode and subscribe on iTunes.

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